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Saturday, November 10, 2012

III Machinists


III Arms needs an entry-level CNC set-up that will handle cutting frames and AR receivers, as well as general small parts production.  With the coming crunch for firearms parts, both in terms of availability and pricing, I think it makes sense to begin with the ability to make some essential parts in-house from the beginning.  Suppliers of these parts are already stressing since Tuesday.

Any III Patriots who can help with machine recommendations, please leave a comment.  Remember that III Arms is beginning on a shoe-string budget.  We'll also need to send key personnel for a training class, we'll probably have to get help loading the programs into the computer, tooling selection, and so on.

We would like a machine capable of taking us comfortably through a pace of 1,000 units or so each year - so a mega-industrial machine isn't needed, but the small hobbyist machines won't be sufficient, I think.

If anyone has a line on a used machine that will fit our needs, please let us know!  Any Angels out there who may have one to donate would be giving III Arms a serious advantage in these early days.

Thank you!

Holly
III






15 comments:

  1. I have a buddy who Is a salesman for Haas...a. Cnc machine manufacturer. Want some contact info? I told Sam about this guy a while back, but K thought it to be a bit early at that time to worry about Such things. K is silly like that Though. Contact me thru email if you want the hookup.

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    1. I don't think you can beat Haas in their class of machines. You can get a nice vertical machining center for less than forty new and tooling package included. Lathes about same same and the intuitive programming is very nice.

      I'd love to noodle through the particular parts you speak of, often more than one way to skin a cat and there are way more machines than programmers and operators right now.

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    2. Walter Z.

      Your stuff is awesome. Hearts and minds is where the ultimate battleground is. Glad you're on our side.

      VJ

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    3. Hi Zoomie!

      Absolutely...I'd really appreciate his contact information. I'll get your email from K.

      (By the way, I'm a huge fan of your work. The whole evil genius thing you've got going suits you!!!)

      Thanks again. Will email you soon!

      Holly
      III

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    4. Cool. I've left a phone mail message to my buddy, so I expect a call-back from him any time.

      BTW...you must be an angel to put up with that crotchety old man of yours.

      I hope to meet you...and him...some day soon.

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    5. Thanks for calling your friend.

      Well, K's Lizard Brain is definitely the default position. Admittedly I had to get the Feds to help me housebreak him during the first two years of our marriage. He still communicates in grunts and clicks once in a while, but his verbal and social skills are slowly improving. ;)

      I have 2 massive, bear-hunting, hard-headed Akitas plus a Husband. His leash is the shortest and he pulls on it the hardest. I'm not sure if I am Angel material, but after this marriage, I'm putting in the paperwork!

      I, too, hope we'll get to meet in the near future.

      Holly
      III

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    6. Anon 2:09 - Receivers and frames and slides, primarily. When time allows, smaller pieces such as safety controls, hammers, grip safeties, etc.

      Thanks.

      Holly
      III

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  2. You will probably be better trying to find a used machine or one at auction. Kitamura, Matsurra are good ones. They have low and high range to cut the tool steels as well as aluminum and non ferrous.
    I would recommend "box way" machines not linear rail. Also gear head is better vs belt drive. I am near SIG and know some of the dealers so I will ask what they use. Tooling is another whole animal. Niagara cutter is a good brand and a large supplier. Titex makes good drills.

    You can also email me. What are the materials you would be doing? One thing that works is you can send a part to the manufacturer of the machine tool and some will make a sample part and give you costing.

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    1. Thanks, John. Sounds like you are in the business?

      Can you recommend any good auction/used websites for such equipment? Are the used machines usually worn out and needing overhaul?

      I know the AR receiver is aluminum and the 1911 frames & slides are steel, but I am not sure of the hardness levels yet. (This is Miller's area of expertise, I'll have to ask for the numbers.)

      Is 3-Axis sufficient, or 4? I'm learning as we go, my learning curve is pretty steep right now.

      Thanks again for the insight.

      Holly
      III

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    2. Ditto on what irish recomended. I would go with the four axis every time, and buy more than you think you need. Stick with the more common brands that have local support. I had to call out factory techs two weeks ago and they cost me a thousand a day plus expense's, so just remember that the cost of owning a cnc is much higher than the purchase price. Don't forget the price of getting the electricity to you location, three miles of cable and a transformer can add up to more than a used machine.

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  3. I would visit a few machine shops in the area. Tell them about your parts. Bring CAD with you. Ask them for a quote on making them. They will do all that at no charge, to win your business. If they don't scratch them off the list. I run a Hurco, and they have been good machines. I agree, used will save you a ton of cash. Find a local used machine sales. I would also love to have a look at the parts.... been a Journeyman Machinist for 15 years, on top of the 8 years it took to get there. I may be able to REALLY help out. Not sure how to contact you..... Greg in Michigan

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    2. Greg in Michigan,

      Thanks for your advice and offer of assistance. The primary parts III Arms is interested in building with the CNC will be: AR15 lower receivers & 1911 frames & slides. Any advice you have on small CNC machines (brands & models) as well as tooling would be greatly appreciated. You can email me at infomation@iiiarmscompany.com or answer here for the benefit of everyone.

      Thanks,
      Holly III

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  4. Check out http://www.cncguns.com/ for an interesting take on high level "amateur" gunsmithing. He does AR-15 receivers. I bought a couple of his jigs and they are top quality.

    VJ

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    1. Thanks, Vernon. K is very familiar with their site. It's a great resource.

      Holly III

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